To look at the universe and still believe there is no God is a person so wrapped up in himself no way would he want to feel that he had to answer to anyone, yet at the same time he is in slavery by Satan to just exist in his system.

Not being spiritual he cannot even recognize this..

Godly wisdom will put these individuals to shame. I just found the following and felt it should be posted here.

The apostle Paul gives us ( Gods household ) some sound, up building advice here.

God’s Power and Wisdom in Christ Jesus

1 Cor 1:18-31

18 The teaching about the cross seems foolish to those who are lost. But to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 As the Scriptures say,

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise.
I will confuse the understanding of the intelligent.

20 So what does this say about the philosopher, the law expert, or anyone in this world who is skilled in making clever arguments? God has made the wisdom of the world look foolish. 21 This is what God in his wisdom decided: Since the world did not find him through its own wisdom, he used the message that sounds foolish to save those who believe it.

22 The Jews ask for miraculous signs, and the Greeks want wisdom. 23 But this is the message we tell everyone: Christ was killed on a cross. This message is a problem for Jews, and to other people it is nonsense. 24 But Christ is God’s power and wisdom to the people God has chosen, both Jews and Greeks. 25 Even the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom. Even the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.

26 Brothers and sisters, God chose you to be his. Think about that! Not many of you were wise in the way the world judges wisdom. Not many of you had great influence, and not many of you came from important families. 27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise. He chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

28 And God chose what the world thinks is not important—what the world hates and thinks is nothing. He chose these to destroy what the world thinks is important. 29 God did this so that no one can stand before him and boast about anything. 30 It is God who has made you part of Christ Jesus. And Christ has become for us wisdom from God. He is the reason we are right with God and pure enough to be in his presence. Christ is the one who set us free from sin.

31 So, as the Scriptures say, “Whoever boasts should boast only about the Lord.”

I really am trying to figure out just how to present this, to those that are able to see spiritually. There has to be thousands that are coming to Gods word for Knowledge. What makes me think this ?
Because we now are able to understand the truth about the truth,

The apostasy has been uncovered there fore those that can now see and understand , 2 Thess 2:;1-12 can also see that Jesus is the Way ,the Truth ,and the Life

Jesus also said in prayer to His Father

John 17:3 (NIV )
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus ******

When Jehovah was dealing with the nation of Israel, their Hope was to live here on earth.
They understood the promise seed , was the one that would buy back what Adam lost.
They understood from the Mosaic Law that if it were a life for a lif then it would have to be a perfect life ,for a perfect life, That the Law was what was to lead them to Christ.

So they all await being brought back to earth/ To mention a few read Hebrews the 11 th Chapter.. Along with them of course are John the Baptist , and Joseph the husband of Mary.

We will have eye witnesses brought back in the earthly resurrection , that actually seen Jesus raised from a child.
We know that Jesus just preached to the lost sheep of Israel. We also know from scripture not all were chosen to rule with Christ, showing the household of God holds both The heavenly and the ones who would fulfill Gods purpose on earth.

Keep in mind there were crowds of sheep being fed spiritually by those starved sheep ,that gathered to hear Jesus. Do you think for one minute the Scribes and Pharisees were happy about this ??
Yet the crowds were always where Jesus was.

Seventy disciples came out of those crowds that were willing to travel to the villages to make known about Jesus being the promised Messiah. They also became Jehovah's sons , or Christ spiritual brothers. Luke Chapter 10

They came out of the gathered sheep back then in the first century. Please read Post on John 10:16 Other sheep
.
The sheep who held onto their earthly hope were the companions of the bride
.Early in the morning he went back to the Temple area. The people all came to him, and he sat and taught them.
John 8:1-3 (in Context ******

We have the same thing here, Those sheep that aren't listening to the voice of a stranger anymore ,are listening to Gods command to come out of her .
Post "Get out of her MY people ."Rev 18:4

I said , my post are starting to blend together.
Sorry just cant be helped.
I had to write all of the above to get to ( my ) new thoughts. ( which are always opened for editing or scripture reasoning .)

We that have FLED the WT or the Bible Students or any other groups that understand that the Theme of the Bible is Gods Kingdom " ( Gen 3:15)
and understand the main doctrine of the scriptures is the Ransom sacrifice of Christ, buying back what Adam lost which was living here on earth,
these are the companions of the Bride
These are the ones that are worshiping in spirit and truth.
John 4:23-24
Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)

23 But the time is coming when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth. In fact, that time is now here. And these are the kind of people the Father wants to be his worshipers. 24 God is spirit. So the people who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”******

We are NOT the great crowd , We have not came out of that religious tribulation, where all religions will be forced to become one. That hasn't taken place yet/

, At that time we will then as The brides companions will support the Two Witnesses.

Jehovah would never hold back any godly wisdom if one were willing to dedicate time to be taught by Him. We have the scriptures.

Daniel 12:3
New International Version (NIV)

3 Those who are wise[ will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever.**********

Footnotes:
Daniel 12:3 Or who impart wisdom****

There's a great work of teaching outlined for us, those fleeing to the wilderness must be taught by Jehovah, (His word )so they too can teach.

Keep in mind we will also be among that great crowd,
Christendom never had the truth .
They do accept Isaiah 9:6-9
No way would Jehovah destroy them for loving his son.

Isaiah 9:6-9
Contemporary English Version (CEV)

A Child Has Been Born
6 A child has been born for us.
We have been given a son
who will be our ruler.
His names will be
Wonderful Advisor
and Mighty God,
Eternal Father
and Prince of Peace.
7 His power will never end;
peace will last forever.
He will rule David’s kingdom
and make it grow strong.
He will always rule
with honesty and justice.
The Lord All-Powerful
will make certain
that all of this is done

They also will have to be taught ,as Armageddon survivors.

I am going to take part of your post and dwell on that. You wrote quote

"in the end my true worshipers will come into my kingdom from every religion and i myself will teach you! i myself will feed you, and tend you wounds,

thats what i got from that prayer to jehovah. "" (end of your quote.)

Matthew you are absolutely right.

Jehovah will teach us thru those that are studying the Bible and only the word of God..

No worldly books, no WT magazines ,none of Pastor Russell's volumes , just God crystal clear Word ,as we know as the BIBLE.

No way would Jehovah ever destroy those who loved His son.

Those in Christendom, have already taken a giant step ,in recognizing Jesus as the Truth ,the Way and the Life.

Sad to say the are ahead of the Jehovah's witnesses when it comes to Jesus Christ.

Grant it Christendom doesn't have it altogether but they are on the right road.They are looking for Gods Kingdom to come,never believing that its already here, as the False anointed in the WT org would have you believe.

Matthew you are doing just great ! I understand what your saying thinking it must be the Holy Spirit giving you the answers to your silent questioning.

What it is Matthew is enlightenment on Gods word because your leaning on Him for answers.

Jehovah never holds His word back from any one who goes to Him. We just have to take that first step of Drawing close to him.( and not man ) This is what's happening to you/ You are putting your trust into His word. Stay with that !

Your eyes are being opened, by the Lamp that is Gods word.

2 Peter 1:19
New International Version (NIV)

19 We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light( shining in a dark place, until the day dawns( and the morning star rises ******

Sad to say those clinging to the Lies inside the JW organization, are on a bus going no where, ending up crashing and then death.

I am going to direct you to brothers like your self . You will find those like yourself struggling with what they see. They all seem very loving.

Please Mathew drop in and visit there and enjoy the fellowship..
http://www.jwstruggle.com/

I like to view some of this group as Jesus would . Under shepherds, individuals that take Gods word seriously , and direct the sheep to clear waters of life .

We that have fled from the the WT organization, are in the wilderness this is where we will stay , until Jehovah gathers us all together.

One can see this movement taking place all over the world , You don't want to wait inside theres no food there to keep you living ,you want to break that bond of slavery and run,run, run, and catch up with the lovers of truth , that have already left.
Pray for this courage Mathew and keep in mind Jehovah and one is a large Army.
You can do it.
Please Mathew stop in again, only don't wait so long.

Christian love

your sister

Susanna

im baptised,as a jehovahs wittnesses, im not active at the hall or door to door ,i just quit going, i worship jehovah and jesus is whom i know to be my lord and king, i just cant keep listening to the mumbo jumbo or preach it.

i beleive anyone from anywere can love and worship jehovah threw jesus, and that you dont have to become subject to the societys explainations or beleive that they are gods exclusive people and if you dont join you will be destroyed at armagedon!

i prayed to jehovah and i was inspired by what i beleive was the holy spirit, it went like this. their is no lack of ways to join in serving me and your fellowman, each religeion has virtue, baptists send misionarys paid by donators,pentacostals, pray in a group,7 day adventists emphasise health, jehovahs wittnesses ministry through publishing, i am calling anyone that wants to have fellowship with me[god] to make themselves a light right were your at! i dont have a special club that you must join!

in the end my true worshipers will come into my kingdom from every religeion and i myself will teach you! i myself will feed you, and tend you wounds,

thats what i got from that prayer to jehovah.
i wont atempt to explain what beast represents who or what date this or that happened.
i simply encourage you right now! make jehovah your god obey jesus as lord and master and ask for the holy spirit from jehovah..

while we are on holy spirit im going to tell you a bit about it,him he she or kid, the holy spirit is gods active force not a person! BUT jehovah will often give that power a personality for your benefeit, ive had everything from a 2 mile high whitehaired red eyed god, all the way down to a 4 year old kid personality played out by jehovah,

and for those out their that wonder their is no way yes no way in hades! that satan can impersonate jehovah! if you ask for jehovahs spirit threw the name of jesus, you get it.
SATAN can not butt into your prayer and send a demon to deceive you.

anyway enough for now. im also on e-jehovahs wittnesses i use my real name real location and real picture so that real worshipers of jehovah can fellowship with me!

now I now that jehovahs wittnesses will disfellowship you in a heartbeat if you say something that the elders do not like or is deemed to be against the set doctorine... but let me ask you point blank. does your salvation depend on the watchtower bible and tract society or jesus christ ? if you can honestly answer that jesus is you lord not the kingdomhall then serve jehovah and please him by obeying jesus and no man can disfellowship you ! freinds trust me when I tell you this if your serveing god for real jehovah will put you in touch with other christians period end of story. Im now 51 I was told by the hall that all the other churchs are false relegions 40 years ago well freinds Ive been in bunches of churchs and Im sorry if it rattles anybodys cages but their are quite a few god worshiping christians in those churchs that Jehovahs wittnesses are told are false religeions ! it was not till I was 30 years old that I learned what a false religeion is..their should be no division in the body but the members shall have the same care for one another if one member suffers than the whole body suffers if one member is honored then the whole body rejoyces with that member for we are each each indivigual members of that body and god has given to us the proper work that we are personaly suited for ! now thats what gods word says.and a false religeion well I will be frank is the indivigual member who chose to make a division in the body... no such thing as a false religeion just false people telling false hoods because their love for jehovah is as limited as their love for that man/women across the street in that other church, you simply can not divide the body of christ and still love god those other churchs out their that profese jesus as their lord and savior have jesus as their lord and savior ! until jesus himself says differant ! and some people need to wake up Because im going to say it again those people that confese jesus as their lord and savior have jesus as their lord and savior and until he say differant you better darn well treat them as members of the body and quit divideing..ok thats my speech for tonight,Some poor elder somewere is surley writeing me a disfellowshiping letter and unless his name is jesus christ the letter will have return to sender on it..this is your brother in jesus arimatthewdavies wishing you great blessing as we serve jah togeather !

""The Watchtower organization wants you to stay on the bus. They need your obedience, your effort, your time, and your life.""

This was the last sentence regarding the resort Bus found over at jwstruggle,com

I would like to make a comment on it.

Yes they do need your obedience,your effort,your time,and your life.

Without you there would be no corporation.

you are the magazine distributors you are the salesmen, you are the builders of a great real estate empire of course they need you as their servants , other wise there would have never been a corporation.

The buildings must be remodeled every so many years which keeps the value up.
This is done at your expense and time. When these properties are paid off, The WT Corp has the title and they are the owners.
Even if these buildings were dedicated to Jehovah, with a special meeting of dedication , when it looks pretty questionable with the economic system, or maybe Tax threatening it is then that belonging To Jehovah becomes a passing fancy, and the property goes up for sale.

With out you they the WT Corp would not be among the powerful worldly investors.You helped make them what they are today.

Big busniess behind the skirts of religion. The disqusting move was to get the Fathers name in the highlights of this wicked scam ./

you are primed to do their bidding, programing you to actually believe its all for Jehovah,

Since when has Jehovah become interested in real estate ?

Would you dare show up for service with out a shirt, tie and briefcase ? not if your going to be one of the WT's servents..

,After all you are going to present the WT magazine , you must look the part of a salesman./And if you put your ten hours in each month .and are obedient to the Corporation, You may be given the grand privilege of taken care of their magazines that the publisher have ordered, and maybe get to pass the microphones ,to those who will read sentence from the WT study.

Then to ask where would you go if you left the WT. That's WT mind-set talk .

do research on that theme that the WT always throws at you/

asking
where would you go if you left the organization, you will find how they really twisted that scripture.

in reality , the real scripture was twisted by the GB .

Peter says to Jesus,
to whom would I go ,If I left you.

So what they did was take what Peter said to Jesus and twisted it to mean where would we go if we left the WT organization.

Now that is what I call evil.

Another thing , when ever things look low for the Corporation, all the WT has to do and they have already done, is make a video , make a new Library,release a new book, Just anounce to all the congregations , that the WT is taking orders for a new release .
They may even make that move deliberately just to test your obedience , to see if they are still in control.

What is it 6 Million Publishers ???
Say three million put a order in at $ 5.00 a new release . What do we have here ?
Sick isn't it !!!
You not only belong to a Corporation, but you that are clinging to it are also unknowingly supporting , it 100 % thinking it is the true religion.
Jesus said in
Matthew 11:28-30 (Message )
"Are you tired? Worn out? Burned out on religion? Come to me. Get away with me and you'll recover your life. I'll show you how to take a real rest. Walk with me and work with me—watch how I do it. Learn the unforced rhythms of grace. I won't lay anything heavy or ill-fitting on you. Keep company with me and you'll learn to live freely and lightly."
Matthew 11:27-29 (in Context) Matthew 11 (Whole Chapter)

Matthew 11:28-30
Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)

28 “Come to me all of you who are tired from the heavy burden you have been forced to carry. I will give you rest. 29 Accept my teaching. [a] Learn from me. I am gentle and humble in spirit. And you will be able to get some rest. 30 Yes, the teaching that I ask you to accept is easy. The load I give you to carry is light.”

Footnotes:
Matthew 11:29 Accept my teaching Literally, “Take my yoke upon you.” A yoke was put on the neck of a work animal for pulling a load. It was a Jewish symbol for the law.
Galatians 5
The Life of Freedom
1 Christ has set us free to live a free life. So take your stand! Never again let anyone put a harness of slavery on you. ********

After all it really doesn't matter what station we are in ,just as long as we get on the same train that is leading us out of this system of things while it is crumbling.. I trust they are true shepherds under Christ over at Struggle.. ( Keep in mind I did not say anointed ).

Ok, here is the post I feel is a must read, and also the link to be among those who are struggling with the Deceptive Lies of the WT.

I would ask you to stay ,and please do , but there are easier things to understand , if your still struggling , which will ready you for what is found here.

Read more at http://www.jwstruggle.com/2011/08/paradise-resort-bus/

sincerely with love
susanna

I remember back in the early ninties , i was out in the Ministry with a circuit overseers wife. As we walked along I took some tracts from my bag. I told her that I liked to leave them at the "not at homes."
They were smaller then the normal ones and green/white with the words printed on front " New World Order."

She looked at my hand holding the tracts and said,
Oh, we dont use them any more,
I asked why, and she replied," we like to save them for the Jews"

Why i asked again and she went on to say ,"" because the society said to save them for the Jews because the scriptures used in the tract were all from the old testement. "" ( Their hope is to be raised here on earth ) as God puposed for mankind,

But then once more I said, "" yes. but those scriptures apply to all that are going to live on earth."
So once more she said, "well ever since senior Bush started talking about a New world Order, we were mot to distribute that tract unless it was to a Jew.""
Ok ,I swollowed it , but I did save one of them, the white is turning yellow.

Wow ! Kitt you are not going to believe this but I left this post for ten minutes to see if I could find when it was that Bush Senior metioned the New world Order , and here his latest mention of it was just five months ago.
I found it on you tube the link is -
911 Road to Tyranny Bush Sr New World Order/

Theres lots more on Bush senior and the NWO/
Unbeleivabe !!!
The Society must have picked up on that right away. Right around the same time they became friends with the United Nations.
Now Kitt thars what I call weird or is it ???

Thank you Kitt for your post
love susanna

The NWT translation JW's Bible is not listed among the other Bibles , so that's where I'm stuck/
For instance I know the key words that I need to find the scripture, but it seems the key word that I'm using isn't in the other Bibles.
Sad because my memory ,has computed the NWT, when it comes to key words.

I realize now, that we were trained to use the NWT for that very reason.

New World -Translation , Now just where did I hear ," New World" before ?

Only kidding

2 Corinthians 12:1-4
Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)

2 Corinthians 12
A Special Blessing in Paul’s Life
1 There is more that I have to say about myself. It won’t help, but I will talk now about visions and revelations from the Lord. 2 I know a man [a] in Christ who was taken up to the third heaven. This happened 14 years ago. I don’t know if the man was in his body or out of his body, but God knows. 3-4 And I know that this man was taken up to paradise. I don’t know if he was in his body or away from his body, but he heard things that he is not able to explain. He heard things that no one is allowed to tell.5 I will boast about a man like that, but I will not boast about myself. I will boast only about my weaknesses.
Footnotes:
2 Corinthians 12:2 a man In 12:2-5. Paul is probably talking about himself.******

In the 1980's at a Circuit assembly during the Theocratic school, one of the brothers school assignments talks was designed around 2 Cor 12:1-5 .
He explained , that Paul was given a vision of earthly Paradise,( we all knew that ).

BUT it was the Circuit overseer who corrected him , in saying the new light on those scriptures, now was that what Paul seen in that vision was
the future in our time that ""we had all entered and have been in a spiritual Paradise since 1919 .""

.( I kid you not ).

I was just wondering if the Watchtower, still holds to this teaching ?

love susanna

Now if you are reaching out for the higher calling then your spirit is in agony .You will actually be longing to be with Jehovah God , because once Jehovah declares you righteous then you have the spirit of adoption, so you became His son ,and you long to be with Him.

Galatians 4:5-7
New International Version (NIV)

5 to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship.[a] 6 Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, “Abba, Father.” 7 So you are no longer a slave, but God’s child; and since you are his child, God has made you also an heir.
Footnotes:
Galatians 4:5 The Greek word for adoption to sonship is a legal term referring to the full legal standing of an adopted male heir in Roman culture. *****

To be part of the Royal Priesthood, to rule with Christ would not be the main reason for a person reaching out.

I think that Watchman has a illustrated picture of a angel on his home page.
We know the naked eye cannot see a spirit but that picture gives us a peek of what a spirit may look like. Clothes are on that illustrated form so we can get a glimpse of the spiritual brilliance ,that would only belong to a spirit.

The brilliance of Jesus spiritual form when he appeared to Saul who later became Paul is what Blinded Paul for a few days. It is thought that's why Paul sight was so bad after that, If he didn't write in large letters then Paul had someone else do his writing. This is all in the scriptures.

if the clothes are removed from that body form, there would be no body but only the bright brilliance that belongs to the vast universe.
So there is no body, flesh and blood cannot inter into the spiritual heavenly kingdom/
If there's no body then there's no need for clothing or food, There's no need for sleep. Of course there's no golden streets to walk on , no real crowns or thrones, Its a whole new spirit world. , that's why a person must be born again, they must literally die in the flesh and be raised a spirit as Jesus was, to even enter that realm.

Those that are reaching out for the higher calling would understand all this.
Another thing is the adopted sons of God , Christ's brothers would also know they would have to drink of the same cup as Jesus.

Revelation 20:4-8
New International Version (NIV)

4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years. ******

NO ! not one of them that would rule with Christ are in Heaven.

Not even the apostles.

The WT teaches all that were asleep in Christ have already been raised with Christ. This is false and fits in with the Lie of 1914 that the Kingdom was set up then.

Gods heavenly organization has NOT given birth to that Messianic Kingdom, so just where did those that were to rule with Christ go ?

They are still asleep waiting for the first resurrection !.

How would I know this if my hope is to live on earth , some may wonder !

I was contacted at the door by a person/ with her mother in law who had this heavenly hope. I lived in Allegheny county Pittsburgh , the same area as Pastor Russell, so there were many so called anointed. alive back then in the sixties, All the congregations held at least a dozen or less , who's hearts desire was to be with their Heavenly Father, Keep in mind the only reward opened during their time was . Heavenly .

When Pastor Russell started his printing of the Zion magazine Announcing Gods kingdom it was just written for those that were going to rule with Christ.
The magazine was large, only four pages with a subscription offer to the magazine for anyone that wanted to serve as Christ brothers,

So a family of those reaching out took me under their wing. I was 30-40 years younger then most of them . They would visit one another and on some occasions , ones from my congregation would have a group over for dinner. I was always asked to help with the meal and serve it.
Being in the background , I would hear their conversations. Never did I ever take a seizure that I may be one of the anointed.
No my attraction was to live here on earth , and still is..

This gave me the opportunity to meet some of the so called anointed, who were taking the lead back then. Unknown to me at the time was that I was among the good wheat that were being decieved the Lie of 1914.

Of course they didn't flee from that error, they stayed with the WT Society until death. through ignorance. To their surprise they no doubt will be brought back to earth.

They were / are all deceived. If they aren't, then they believe the Lie which bars them from entry into the heavenly Kingdom.

Back to

The Lamb and the 144,009
Rev 14:1-5
1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. 3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as first fruits to God and the Lamb. 5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless. ******

Do they sing in heaven ? I'm sure they do, but not like anything we ever heard.

Here's where the adopted sons of God are at present , that are going to rule with Christ. The remaining number will be the TWO witnesses. Rev 11 Chapter.( They are the remaining bride, that will complete the 144,000. )

Revelation 6:9-11
New International Version (NIV)

9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” 11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters,] were killed just as they had been. ******

To be continued to the " Hope of living here on Earth,"

I just didn't feel this post was finished so I'm here to close this Holy Week.
This week is rear ,because Christians all over the world ,are aware of Jesus death and resurrection. I think this happens just in so many years, but cant find it in research ,. Sure would be nice if any one heard this statement, and will shareyou're findings.

Lets follow Jesus into the Garden of Gethsemane.
This was a garden on the Mount of Olives. From Biblical times until the present, Jews have been buried on the Mount of Olives. There are an estimated 150,000 graves on the Mount, including tombs traditionally associated with Zechariah and Absalom. On the upper slope, the traditional Tomb of the Prophets Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi‎ is situated. ( so research tells me )
Luke 21:37 reads
37 Each day Jesus was teaching at the temple, and each evening he went out to spend the night on the hill called the Mount of Olives, ******
Seems it was also a place of peace and rest for Jesus and his disciples . I might add that Jesus ascended to heaven from the Mount of Olives as recorded in the book of Acts 1:9–12

Now back to the Garden on that mount comes a very intimate prayer between Jesus and his Father, Its my favorite chapter out of the 27 books of the New Testament .

John the 17 th chapter records this prayer. said.

John 17:4-5
Amplified Bible (AMP)

4I have glorified You down here on the earth by completing the work that You gave Me to do.
5And now, Father, glorify Me along with Yourself and restore Me to such majesty and honor in Your presence as I had with You before the world existed.******

Jesus seen what death was , he knew that getting back home depended on his Father raising him from the dead. Today is the celebration of this wonderful act of God.

That last night in the garden was really agony for our savior. He knew that he was going to be put to death for saying he was the son of God, Which was Blasphemy to the Jews. . This is what was really heart wrenching for Jesus..

I read that when one is under extreme stress the capillaries can rupture and leak blood into the adjacent sweat glands. Thus blood is exuded along with the sweat.
Sweating blood (or blood pigment) is a very rare medical condition known as hematidrosis and is usually associated with extreme stress and high blood pressure.

The sweat that the scriptures describe that night while Jesus was talking to his Father ,were beads of blood.

Also when they pierced Jesus side to make sure he was dead while still on the cross, blood and water ran out.
I had also read that the sack around Jesus heart ,was filled with water and blood . The spear hit that sack.
It is said that mixture was from a broken heart., hence we had Jesus blood shed for mankind . ( I cannot pull that broken heart theory up in research. Any help would be deeply appreciated.)

Yes, Christ has risen from the dead. Now sitting at his Fathers side ,waiting to be King in the coming birth of his Kingdom.

""Let God be found true and every man a liar"".*****

1 Corinthians 11
The Lord’s Supper
23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread; 24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 25 In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.
27 Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. 28 But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly. 30 For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number [sleep. 31 But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with )the world.

33 So then, my brethren, when you come together to eat, wait for one another. 34 If anyone is hungry, let him eat at home, so that you will not come together for judgment. The remaining matters I will (arrange when I come. ******

What Paul doesnt say is that were onlookers, meaning that the Kingdom covenent was also being brought in with the New, belonging to just the 144,000 .

as you can see right here , My posts are not writen in cement.

18 This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood.
Jesus was going to free the Jews from the Old covenant and make way for the New covenant . *******

The Old covenant or the Mosaic Law ,was celebrating the Passover each year always sacrificing a lamb,which pictured Jesus. That Lamb was to be eaten with out breaking any bones.
Also picturing Jesus death.
John The Baptist the for runner to Jesus pointed Jesus out as the Lamb of
God.
After the last Passover and the
dismissal of Judas to do what he had to do, which was to betray Jesus for 30 pieces of silver ,Luke goes on to say

Luke 22:14-20
14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. 16 For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.”
17 After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you. 18 For I tell you I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”

19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”

20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you *****

Luke is the only one that said to do this in remembrance of me
.He just wrote what he gears, he wasn't there.

One would think if Jesus was referring to celebrating the passing of the bread and wine some where some time it would be mentioned /But no where can this be found,In fact to keep celebrating it would seem very contradictable

Paul who is credited with 13 Bible Books of letters . has this to say.

Galatians 5:1

Freedom in Christ

1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
Could it be something else ? *****

Didn't Jesus say,, “I have " eagerly "desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. This was the third Passover he was going to spend with his disciples , yet this one wa going to be special.

What Jesus did was tell the eleven that were there that nightwith him was that his Father had made A kingdom Covenant with him, so Jesus wanted to share this Covenant with them.

So here we have two covenants being made that night almost back to back,

We know that the New covenant was made by the Father in reference to Jesus . Jeremiah 31:31

New International Version (NIV)

31 “The days are coming,” declares the LORD,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah. *******

Zedekiah (king of Judah), 6th century bc king of Judah (597–587/586 bc) whose reign ended in the Babylonian destruction of Jerusalem and the deportation

He was the last King of Judah .It was Jehovah that removed his crown and said he would give it to whom it belongs. That's when the New covenant is Promised. With Jesus being given the Crown.

Now lets go back to the evening after the bread and wine had been passed.

Luke 22:29-30 Jesus went on to say to the eleven

New International Version (NIV)

29 And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me, 30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. *******

I am sure that there were many questions asked that night THere was so much to talk about.Jesus was going home. Leaving behind these brothers that he bonded with. I am sure it was a sad but joyful night. Jesus also knew what a tourturous poice he was going to have to pay to get back home, Fhere was so many,many things to talk about before his departure..

So this was what was to be remembered and talked about when partaken of a meal together , and they weren't to forsake the gathering of themselves together.to keep outbuilding each other. After all what lay ahead was the destruction of the Jewish system of things. In the year 70 BC.

The other Christian Jews missed out on this additional conversation for that evening. but I am sure it was shared with them.
Luke was told about it wasn't he ?

Now back to Paul .
This man was a Roman citizen and also thought to be a Pharisee.
He screamed bloody murder toward Jesus disciples , and not only threats but was responsible for many being murdered.

Several years after Jesus death Jesus appeared to him in his glorified spiritual body and a voice like thunder asked why was he persecuting him. Paul fell to his knees ,and was blinded from the brilliant glow radiating to form a presence
for several days.
Well any way Jesus appointed him as a apostle to the Nations, that's why his writings are held and directed to us down to this day

.Not in any writings does he mention keeping a memorial for Christ. ( Good research on Paul )

I heard of some friends that go way out to celebrate the Memorial of Christ/
Almost making alters out of their dressers, Lighting candles, buying flowers, special Goblets, Lace table cloths , soft music playing etc,
Sound like a ritual ?>> Sure does. !!!

Lets repeat once more what Paul wrote/

Galatians 5:1
Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)

Keep Your Freedom
1 We have freedom now, because Christ made us free. So stand strong in that freedom. Don't go back into slavery again.

After Jesus resurrection and materializing bodies to be seen, as proof that he was raised from the dead, he ran into two of his deciples walking in to town.They were telling him all about Jesus whom they didnt reconize.

It was when hw sat with them to eat, and the way Jesus broke the bread at that meal that his disciples reconised him.
The reason I mention this is in doing researh it was common for the Jews to have bread and wine with a meal.

" Jehovah and One is a Strong Army. "

Now you may have to ponder over what I am going to present I say this because it will clear up a lot of thoughts about just where we stand in Gods main purpose for the earth.,
Heaven or Earth !!
What is our hearts desire ?

Lets start with those that make up the 144,000 the" royal priesthood ,or the "bride of Christ", or his " co-rulers "
After the both hopes are searched out " heaven or earth ") you will know where you are in Gods purpose. ( I promise )

First of all this is necessary .
Jesus is praying to his Father in the seventeen chapter of John, the night before he became the Passover Lamb.
Of course the scriptures point out that Jesus died for all, and he did . There was also a condition for this free gift. John 17:3
New International Version (NIV)

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. ***

Then following this comes acceptance of Jesus ransom sacrifice ,then comes repentance .with a heart dedication. Bro NTL seems to have reached this point and I am sure his speaking freely about it publicly has really pleased our creator., it is then that we are driven to find out more about the Father and His son.

Ok back to Jehovah's Household/

In searching the scriptures we find that the Temple of God is where Gods spiritual sons are ( " Will be ",as seen in Revelation when completed ) They were bought from the earth as virgins. .Meaning they are not tied up in organized religion but are spotless from the leadership of human shepherds. ( Woman symbolically pictures religion)
Rev 14:3-4 reads
3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. 5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.
We here in the wilderness are / will be among this group or I might well better put it , the remaining bride is among us.
How so ?
Because the remaining bride has NOT been chosen or anointed yet.
I know the WT society's self appointed discreet slave claim to be the bride of Christ.,Another deception to their flock.

Just whom was it that anointed them with holy spirit ? and where and when did this happen ? They say it was in 1914 , when they said Christ returned . Lets reason on this for a moment.
The governing body has been replace many times by death , since 1914,
so who does the anointing of these replacements ?
The first group that Jesus appointed to serve giving proper food at the proper time have all died.
Is it any wonder why they are starving spiritually in that organization.!
Those inside the WT org. claiming to be the Discreet Slave have self ordained themselves as part of the Royal Priesthood.. This doesn't apply to the self claimers that are counted each year as they are partaken in ignorance.

It apply's to those who has caused all this deception by the weeds that invaded The Temple of God with the false claim that they are the appointed slave.
Those who were reaching out for the higher calling in the first century, that ran the race to the finish , are resting in sleep to this day , but there is a Crown set aside for them. So they are already considered saints ,.

1 Corinthians 9:24-25
New International Version (NIV)

24 Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. 25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training.

They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. ***
These 144,000, make up the bride of Christ , and are also the body members of Christ.. Jesus , as the head of the body ,and his body members of 144.000 make up the Temple of God. This is a spiritual Temple made up of living precious stones.
1 Peter 2:4-6
New International Version (NIV)

The Living Stone and a Chosen People
4 As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him— 5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house[a] to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For in Scripture it says:
“See, I lay a stone in Zion,
a chosen and precious cornerstone,
and the one who trusts in him
will never be put to shame.”

Footnotes:
1 Peter 2:5 Or into a temple of the Spirit
1 Peter 2:6 Isaiah 28:16 ***
Acts 4:11
Jesus is “‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’
Acts 4:10-12 (in Context) Acts 4 (Whole Chapter)
While I'm on the subject the titles that apply to the 144,000 co-rulers with Christ are.
The Bride of Christ , -Sons of God ,-The Royal priesthood, -Brothers of Christ,- Trees of Righteousness,- Gods chosen Ones, -Holy Ones , -Ambassadors of Christ.
There's probably more but I cant think of any right now, but the remaining ones that will make up the bride or brothers of Jesus that will pick up in the preaching in the end times are called The Two witnesses in the book of Revelation.
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Of course there are more then two because they will be preaching in every tongue to all the nations. This will be all at the same time
After they are sealed with Holy spirit ,then they start their mission of 3.5 years , or 42 months , or 1220 days just as Jesus did. The difference is the coming preaching will be world wide .where in Jesus and the Apostles time the preaching was localized.

Acts 1:7-8
New International Version (NIV)

7 He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” ***

Now here's a key to understanding , Jesus was speaking to his bride as a WHOLE 144.000. No way , were the first century Christians going to preach to the whole earth. That's why I say the Two witnesses ,or the ambassadors of Christ will pick up where the apostles ,along with the bride left off., The whole earth will hear if they listen, that the Kingdom of the heavens had given birth to the Messianic Kingdom, when it happens,

Revelation 11:3-5

.3 And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” 4 They are “the two olive trees” and the two lampstands, and “they stand before the Lord of the earth.”[a] 5 If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die.***

Anther scripture to support the fact that Jesus was speaking to his bride ,down to our day .

Matthew 28:18-21
New International Version (NIV)

18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” ***
The writings of the New testament are directed to the 144.,000. or the co-rulers with Christ. They make up the seed of Gods Women and are also the seed of Abraham., even though many are gentiles.

Since the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD ,along with it's Temple , a spiritual Temple has replaced that literal Temple. In fact Jehovah had wiped out that whole Jewish system, when the Romans came in and destroyed it.

Now we are looking at greater scale a world system of things.that will come to a end.

We that have / are worshiping in spirit and in Truth have become the

"" Israel of God,"

We already have our High Priest Jesus who offered his sacrifice of a" perfect life" in place of a yearly lamb , for once and all times , and His Father has accepted his sacrifice,in our behalf.

Hebrews 10:26-29
New International Version (NIV)

26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,

Galatians 3:16
New International Version (NIV)

16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,”[a] meaning one person, who is Christ. ***
Galatians 3:29
New International Version (NIV)

29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. ***

What was the promise ?
The promise was to Abraham, that all nations would bless themselves because of his seed. ( Christ ruling as King along with his Bride for a thousand years.)

I personally feel the remaining bride of Christ will be a far greater number then what was in the first century.( of course that's just speculation.)

To be continued

i am ever so glad ,you are also sharing your inner most feelings, Isn't that love among the brothers is all about. ?
Of course it is !
I wish more would feel the same and not be in fear of posting. How are we going to get to know one another.?

Please I don't ever want anyone ever to think I'm anyone special. because I'm not .
I just have so many posts on here, because I have so much to say. Seems the owner has given me the freedom to hopefully keep this abandoned place alive.

You my dear brother , was like a fresh drink of water to me. to see you took out the time to post your feelings. I was overjoyed.
To tell you the truth just stopping in to say hello, would have made me happy. To know some one was just looking in and reading.

I know many of my posts may seem controversy to those that may stop in to read. But I am always open for disagreement and want to be corrected if we can reason with the scriptures and let Gods word be found as Truth.

Now as Far as My using the name Jehovah it is instilled in me, from being a member of the WT society for over 40 years. I am slowly deprogramming myself from the WT teaching. Each day I try to include Jesus name , after all no one comes to the Father except thru Jesus. The Governing Body of the WT seems to have replaced Jesus with themselves. This is not seen of course with the naked eye ,until one sets himself free from that organization.
To give you a for instance.
Are there really any Jehovah's witnesses today ?

Judge Rutherford the second president of the WT took that scripture in Isaiah 43 :10 and applied it to The WT society in 1931.
Had he the right to give Gods name to anyone ? No how dare he !! He was a known alcoholic to begin with. Search out his life.

That verse belonged where it was,in the book of Isaiah . Jehovah was counseling His people as a nation back then, . They had became unfaithful.

This was a great false hood brought into the WT organization.
When in reality the self appointed slave deliberately ignored what Jesus said.
Jesus said we were to be witnesses of him . read Acts Chapter one.

Jesus did teach his disciples how to pray in
Matt 6:7-9
7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! 9 Pray like this:

Our Father in heaven,
may your name be kept holy***

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Quote from your post

"".I think I have a handle on the salvation that I gained through the Blood of Jesus and now comes the hard part in my growth, the understanding of the things for the future, the Messianic Kingdom, the thousand year reign, the difference between eternal life and Heavenly rewards and much more.""

Oh NTL
so many things have to take place before we get into the 1000 year reign . but it will be swift in coming, one event right after another if not a few at the same time. I personally am watching at present for a peace ageement.Once that takes place we are on our way/

As you read 2 Thess 2:1-12 keep in mind that the Apostle Paul was appointed by Jesus Christ to be a apostle to the nations.

These 12 verses would take in our generation in our time, This deals with the apostasy that had to come and be discovered or uncovered be fore Christ would come.

This is why Paul is warning us if anyone comes and says that Christ has already come ,NOT to believe them,

Paul writes to Christ bride as a whole applying to our day for us that are worshiping in spirit and in truth. this is where the remaining bride will be found , among us ,this message from Paul in 2 Thess 2:1-3 is not from them meaning not from the apostles or Gods word,

This message is based on The LIE of 1914 , that Christ came and the Kingdom was set up then.

God allowed this error to get into His household , to separate the wheat from the weeds.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 ( This cannot be read too often )
Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)

2 Thessalonians 2

Evil Things Will Happen
1 Brothers and sisters, we have something to say about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. We want to talk to you about that time when we will meet together with him. 2 Don’t let yourselves be easily upset or worried if you hear that the day of the Lord has already come. Someone might say that this idea came from us—in something the Spirit told us, or in something we said, or in a letter we wrote. 3 Don’t be fooled by anything they might say. That day of the Lord will not come until the turning away from God happens. And that day will not come until the Man of Evil appears, the one who belongs to hell. [a]
Footnotes:
2 Thessalonians 2:3 belongs to hell Literally, “is the son of destruction.”***
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As I mentioned before this Lie is so strong it will take prayer , digging and searching these verses , * ( that's rubbing spiritual salve in our eyes ) before ones eyes will see it. Believe me ! It took me months before I was able to see when the above took place.

Ok I am going to close for now,' Thank you so much for returning.

susanna

You wrote that you hope that what you posted is making sense to me, again I will answer Yes and thank you very much again.

The fresh waters that you speak of, that will come into my life, I do taste daily for I search for this a drop at a time and then just a sip and I feel refreshed. I wish to, it is hard to explain, but yes I do thrust for more and will examine the treats that you are sharing. I need to go into the Scriptures with prayer and try to place myself into the moment there that Paul was writing to the Thessalonians. I do not want to take out of context what I am reading and please understand that the quote from 2 Thes 2 being in full and not a cut out of what it is you wanted to express was "refreshing water" to me. For it did allow me to get into and see what it is that was going on at the time, I commend you for this, not that what I say has any authoritive value, it only is a thank you for being complete and open with what you were expressing as "your thoughts".
Now please be patient with me for I do have to digest what you sent to me in the above post. Also I need to read and understand the "weeds" and things and the harvesting.
The love of our God and Lord and what He has done for us is awesome and somewhat beyond what his creatures really deserve, but I guess that is why He is God.
I think I have a handle on the salvation that I gained through the Blood of Jesus and now comes the hard part in my growth, the understanding of the things for the future, the Messianic Kingdom, the thousand year reign, the difference between eternal life and Heavenly rewards and much much more.
I have prayed much and have received much in return and have learned to watch what I say, for it's not that I do not like to eat my own words, it is that I wish not to say anything that could harm another on their road to the happiness that I now have in my love for God.

So, now I will read and study what you suggested and will get back with proper questions and responses to the answers that I come up with while drinking the life giving waters that flow for all those that believe and wish to have truth in their lives.
Sincerely,
Newtolove

AS for my posts being deep, honest they just come naturally.
Let me tell you why I think it is (my personal opinion ) it's because God tells us that man cannot even direct their own steps so why put you're trust in them.!!

I feel that once some one really learns and understands the real meaning behind Christ death, ( a eye for a eye , a life for a life,etc ) then we have a principle in that same Mosaic Law,
That principle would be , it would take a perfect life for a perfect life to buy back what Adam lost. Hence we have the Ransom sacrifice of Christ.
Ponder on that for a moment.

The Mosaic Law was a Tudor that was to lead the Jews to Christ. That's why Jesus ministry was to the lost sheep of Israel.
They understood the LAW

Just why was it that Jesus came to earth to begin with > Just what was the sin that Jesus came to take back from Adams off spring ? Now keep in mind Adam was created PERFECT..
The answer is , all of Adam & Eves off spring missed the mark of perfection. Some one imperfect could not really produce something perfect.So we all missed the mark of perfection, where we would have had the opportunity for eternal life on earth.
This was Gods purpose.to begin with.
I hope this is making sense.

back to you're post
once one understands all of the above ,The doors of fresh waters come into your life. The waters we were taken in while tied up in organized religion were bitter sweet. Once you reach this point, then the waters we start drinking "only Gods word " , become crystal clear ,according to how much we drink.
Don't really be too concerned because you are on the right road and believe me you will catch up. If not now then certainly during the thousand year reign of Christ.
It will be during his reign that we will be cultivating the fruitage's of His spirit, so at the end of that reign we will be as Adam & Eve when they were created.. That's what the Messianic Kingdom is all about.

I think I said enough for now.
WE are so glad to know you are going to stay close by.
You will be in my thoughts and prayers
Christian love
susanna

Amy